Monday, 06 August 2007
Extreme Outsourcing - Elders
Just about everyone knows the frustration of trying to get answers from customer service located in India or parts unknown. And many are the woes of people whose jobs have been transferred overseas. Now, eldercare is being outsourced too.
On the edge of collapse from caring for his aged and ill parents 24/7 for three years on his own and unable to find a nursing home in Florida that would not bankrupt the family, Steve Herzfeld “outsourced” his parents’ care by moving with them to Pondicherry, India.
“His 89-year-old mother, Frances, who suffers from advanced Parkinson’s disease, now receives daily massages, physical therapy and 24-hour help getting to the bathroom, all for about $15 a day. His father, Ernest, 93, an Alzheimer’s patient, has a full-time personal assistant and a cook who has won him over to a vegetarian diet healthful enough that he no longer needs cholesterol medication.“Best of all, the plentiful drugs the couple require cost less than 20 percent of what they do at home, and salaries for their six-person staff are so low that the pair now bank $1,000 of their $3,000 Social Security payment.”
- - The Seattle Times via Chicago Tribune, 3 August 2007
[ASIDE: A question that has puzzled me for a long time is how drugs in other countries can cost so much less than in the United States. Brand-name or generic, they are manufactured by the same pharmaceutical companies as drugs in the U.S.]
The $2000 monthly cost to Herzfeld and his parents covers food, rent, utilities, medications, phone and staff. The story notes that there are few trained geriatricians in India, but that is true in the U.S. too which has fewer than 9,000 with the number dropping every year.
“Herzfeld’s mother has a daily hour-long session with a physical therapist, who flexes her stiff legs and gets up on her feet briefly with a walker. A nurse, on duty all day, braids flowers into the old woman’s gray hair, massages her legs and arms, holds her hand while she watches television and feeds her meals.“A massage therapist gives both of the aged Americans a daily full-body massage, and a cook fixes them simple Indian meals.
“Ernest spends much of the day watching cable television in an overstuffed chair, reading a couple of local English-language papers. He sometimes catches a rickshaw to the beach or botanic gardens with his aide or his son.”
- - The Seattle Times via Chicago Tribune, 3 August 2007
The family keeps in touch with friends and relatives in the U.S. with email and internet videophone.
A week ago, I reported on my recent visit to a retirement community that includes in the price assisted living and full-time nursing should they, in time, become necessary. It was the first of what will be an ongoing series at TGB on retirement living choices, but in making a list of possibilities to research, India did not cross my mind.
The costs of long-term care in the U.S. are not going to get any cheaper in coming years and it is doubtful there are affordable choices in the U.S. that can compare to living in one’s own home with a full-time staff. The only downside I can see to the India alternative is distance from family.
What do you think?
(Hat tip to Molly who blogs at Life on Tiger Mountain.)
[At The Elder Storytelling Place today, William Weatherstone tells how he learned the joys of the open road at age 14 in My Trucking Career: In the Beginning.]
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Comments
India, the Hilton, elders community... Ronni, please keep this series going. It is fascinating to consider alternatives; even if the alternatives do not fit comfortably for each of us. I love how the people you are highlighted are coming up with solution that fit their situation just right. What could be more liberating?
Posted by: lilalia on Aug 6, 2007 8:28:46 AM
Alternatives are a good thing -- I need all I can get! Maybe I should check out Spain -- at least I speak the language.
Posted by: Kay Dennison on Aug 6, 2007 9:10:13 AM
My wish is that we all had that option in the U.S. Perhaps we Elders with time on our hands should start organizing to demand it here. The Insurance and Pharmaceutical companies have had it their way far too long. The only power that can defeat money is people 'en mass'. An uprising is called for and you have started the ball rolling, Ronni, with your informative blog.
Posted by: Darlene on Aug 6, 2007 9:12:34 AM
The Indian culture is vastly different than western countries. I think the biggest problem is satisfying the social and emotional needs of people. Coincidentally, we discussed about this topic last week on Elders Tribune
Posted by: Paul @ Elders Tribune on Aug 6, 2007 9:39:39 AM
Holy cow!
Who'd a thunk it!!
And my husband and I have long term health care insurance for here in the USA.
This bears thinking on. And why not import these fine people (nannies from overseas take care of our kids!) and have them do the job here!
Posted by: notdotdot on Aug 6, 2007 9:55:48 AM
You wrote: "[ASIDE: A question that has puzzled me for a long time is how drugs in other countries can cost so much less than in the United States. Brand-name or generic, they are manufactured by the same pharmaceutical companies as drugs in the U.S.]"
The pharmaceutical and drug companies set drug prices in each market/country based on what the residents in that country ca bear (based on income), not based on what is costs to manufacture the drugs. This should make it clear to everyone what the pharmaceutical industry is about: maximizing profits, not curing people.
Posted by: George on Aug 6, 2007 2:03:32 PM
At first glance, I would've thought it might be too tough on his parents - what with the cultural changes. But at their age and state-of-health, they're beyond that. And I mean that in a good way.
The cultural changes I had to work through as a 42-year-old American moving to Sweden to live and work -- they won't have to deal with, for the most part.
International phone calls are dirt cheap these days and videophones are more and more commonplace. Again, at their age and state-of-health, having a bunch of family visitors might not be quite as thrilling as it once was...
It sounds like heaven to me. "Honey, where did we put my suitcase?"
Posted by: Nikki on Aug 7, 2007 2:12:19 AM
I've always wanted to go to India! I doubt my kid wants to, though.
Posted by: Judith in Umbria on Aug 7, 2007 5:51:04 AM
I loved the part about getting flowers braided into her grey hair. How sweet.
I think it is a sad reflection on a nation when moving elderly parents to Asia is a viable option for that man.
Posted by: Peggy on Aug 7, 2007 1:03:00 PM
This is an amazing story. We can't really import people to carry out the care to the West of course because the cost of living for them would be just as expensive as it is for us. I don't know how many of us in the west could cope with going the other way though. Perhaps some entrepeneur could set up a retirement community to handle this, although for me it would need to be a less extreme climate than India.
Posted by: ian on Aug 7, 2007 4:02:25 PM
Add: I think there are the beginnings of a proper study into alternatives to retirement homes - all of them so far are better than slowly fading away staring at the wall, which seems to be the preferred state option.
Posted by: ian on Aug 7, 2007 4:07:44 PM
As I see my friend Duck decline, I am forever grateful he wasn't run over or robbed before we could get him in a nursing home. I'm also grateful that he doesn't remember much of his past life or any of his day to day life as it is now. The nursing home takes all his money, and only two of his old friends ever visit him. I'm so very grateful that he happy in the moment.
I'm left asking for myself which would be better....growing old with no mind or no body much less no money for prescriptions.
Posted by: Mage on Aug 7, 2007 4:56:47 PM
That is a great idea. Mexico used to be a great place for the old but it is now expensive. I wonder how one makes contact with the appropriate business in India?
Posted by: wayne on Aug 8, 2007 12:08:46 AM
Ronnie-I'm always learning from you-thanks!Despite living in India, I never knew that Elder care was being "outsourced"!Maybe it's a nice thing to happen...I don't know.We live in a joint family where we live with my in laws, and till my father passed away , he lived with us.This is the way it is in India...It would be wonderful to look after more people!
Posted by: Veenu on Aug 9, 2007 5:37:19 AM
Well, there's the biggest difference, right there in Veenu's post:
"We live in a joint family . . . It would be wonderful to look after more people!"
What a generous response! But we are not a society that encourages families to remain connected, let alone live together, nor do we think it would be "wonderful" to care for our older family members.
We need either a huge cultural shift in our attitude, or we need to explore creative alternatives (including those that require political action) to make certain that our aging population can live with dignity in our later years.
Personally, I like the Hilton plan!
Posted by: Cynthia Friedlob, The Thoughtful Consumer on Aug 9, 2007 2:32:59 PM
I was absolutely riveted by this article! It so resonated with me and my friends (all women 55+) that we are planning a trip to India for a look-see later this year, post monsoon.
I'd like to live in a country where I don't live fear of illness and where wellness is a virtue and supported by attention to right eating, massage, meditation, etc.
Linda
Posted by: Linda Jaynes Morgan on Aug 9, 2007 8:39:06 PM
Brand name prescription products generally are more expensive in the United States than they are in other countries with developed economies, largely because the governments in those countries play a direct role in establishing prescription drug prices and regulating profits.
The U.S. government has chosen not to do the same because the drug company lobby bribes Congress to keep their hands off their industry.
Posted by: LeslieT on Aug 16, 2007 9:03:41 AM
please let me know how you got the information about elderly care providers. my aging mother in india has parkinsons and we are looking for home care for her, ahe lives in a little town that does not have these faacilities. thank you.
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