Wednesday, 20 February 2008
Rejected By a Green Group
When Crabby Old Lady gets over having her feelings hurt, she’ll undoubtedly be angry.
Crabby does what she can to keep her carbon footprint on planet Earth as small as possible. She has done so for many years. She diligently sorts and recycles trash, she always washes clothes in cold water and does so in the evening during off-peak power hours. She doesn’t run the dishwasher until it is packed to capacity. She uses green cleaning products when they work. (Seventh Generation brand paper towels are worse than useless; they just move the mess around without absorbing a drop of it.)
She takes time to recycle printer ink cartridges and batteries, careful to deliver them to drop off places during other necessary driving trips so she's not wasting gas. She dutifully takes yard waste, left-over paint and other non-recyclables to the town dump, and she has installed those funny-looking light bulbs in every socket and lamp even though florescent light at home is as ugly and unappealing as it is in offices.
She is mildly maniacal about turning off lights in empty rooms. She also uses ceiling fans instead of air conditioners, and last year, she spent a small fortune having 14 energy-efficient windows installed in her home. (They are actually saving a little money on heating fuel this winter.)
Crabby also contributes to organizations she believes are helping the planet on a larger scale than she can do alone, particularly The Nature Conservancy. When the time comes for a new car, she will sadly give up “cute” for whatever fuel-efficient vehicle she can afford because it is the right thing to do. If Crabby could find a way to dispose of cat box droppings in something other than plastic bags, she would do it. But at least she doesn’t buy the bags; she reuses what she gets at stores.
Crabby is always looking for new, small ways she can help, so she perked up when she read about Freecycle – a network of local organizations which, according to the website,
“…is made up of 4,251 groups with 4,518,000 members across the globe. It's a grassroots and entirely nonprofit movement of people who are giving (& getting) stuff for free in their own towns. It's all about reuse and keeping good stuff out of landfills. Each local group is moderated by a local volunteer (them's good people). Membership is free.”
It works like this: when you have reusable stuff you don’t want anymore, you can list it on the pages of your local group where other members can peruse and choose. And, you can find stuff you might want. No one is allowed to charge for items or to pay for them. Everything is free.
Thinking that Freecycle is a remarkably good idea, Crabby Old Lady found the Portland, Maine, group where she applied for membership by filling in the form and waited. On Tuesday morning, she received this message in her inbox:
“Your request to join the freecyclePortlandME group was not approved.“The moderator of each Yahoo! group chooses whether to restrict membership in the group. Moderators who choose to restrict membership also choose whom to admit.
“Please note that this decision is final...”
"Them's good people" indeed. Crabby is at a loss to understand on what basis she has been rejected. The only questions asked on the signup form were her name, email address and why she wanted to join. Duh! (which, she assures you, is not what she answered.) Not much to go on in regard to rejecting someone.
Having recently been banned by Google AdSense too, Crabby Old Lady is wondering if she smells bad these days and should shower more than once a day.
[At The Elder Storytelling Place today, David Wolfe recalls a moment of youthful revelation in A Teen's Discovery of Humility.]
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Comments
Making the Green movement exclusive... who'd have thought it. This society is officially circling the drain.
Posted by: AlwaysQuestion on Feb 20, 2008 8:47:27 AM
Here's another green suggestion: 41pounds is an organization that helps consumers reduce junk snail mail and catalogs in an environmentally friendly way. I wrote about this in my blog because any reduction of junk snailmail also reduces your identity theft risk, since your personal data is in fewer places.
How to stop junk mail and be green about it
And Crabby, you don't seem all that crabby lately. (smile)
Posted by: George on Feb 20, 2008 8:56:59 AM
Freecycle didn't want me, either. when you find a good (organic) deodorant, please share...
Posted by: ronni prior on Feb 20, 2008 9:03:40 AM
Now don't get angry, Crabby, but when I came to the part about you being rejected by "Them Good People",I burst out laughing. It is ludicrous that they rejected you..
It's like a bad joke. It's a little like "Them Evil People" rejecting Hitler for membership.
Posted by: Nancy on Feb 20, 2008 9:09:16 AM
Very strange. It just goes to show that computers don't know when to bring in a human to consult with.
Posted by: Sharry on Feb 20, 2008 9:53:31 AM
Wow. I can sort of "get" Google going wonky on you. They do that to everyone. But Freecycle? That's just strange.
Do you already have a Yahoo account? Freecycle uses Yahoo groups to run its exchanges (at least in ABQ) so maybe???? (I'm really grasping at straws here.)
Posted by: Virginia on Feb 20, 2008 9:58:45 AM
Virginia...
Yes, Crabby used the Yahoo account she has had for many years.
Posted by: Crabby Old Lady on Feb 20, 2008 10:03:25 AM
My guess is that freecycle is some kind of scam, and they realized someone as savvy as you would blow their cover.
I mean, is there a better explanation?
Posted by: mike on Feb 20, 2008 10:51:57 AM
freecycle is not a scam. I have freecycled quite a few things which would have otherwise been thrown away, such as blinds and pots.
What I suspect happened is that you were automatically rejected because the group maybe fighting spam and have taken the extreme measure of not allowing new entrants.
Posted by: Matias on Feb 20, 2008 11:14:25 AM
That's just dumb.
I have used and enjoyed Freecylce quite a bit, but these days we do almost all our giveaways through the "free stuff" section on Craigslist. It's very, very easy - no membership, no ads, hardly any rules at all. So few steps. And it works, I think, because so many people use it.
http://maine.craigslist.org/zip/
(to see what people are giving away)
and
https://post.craigslist.org/mne
(to post something you want to give away)
peace
Lisa
Posted by: on Feb 20, 2008 11:39:42 AM
Taking two showers a day would use more water and electricity. Not good for the environment. Perhaps you were turned down for taking too many showers. Cut down to every other day, every three days? I'm just thinkin'
Posted by: Judith Shapiro on Feb 20, 2008 11:48:31 AM
I think you’re on the right track Mike. I don’t know the group, but I do know about fear and exclusivity disguised as reason. Whatever their excuse for claiming such inappropriate proprietorship, it sounds to me like they’re a bit more yellow than green.
Posted by: Rabon on Feb 20, 2008 12:19:18 PM
Could it be they want to keep the group exclusive for power reasons? It certainly can't be based on whether you are appropriately green. I have never heard of the group but it sounds very strange.
Posted by: Rain on Feb 20, 2008 12:49:31 PM
So I just went and signed up for freecycle to see what happens. Will be interesting.
Posted by: janinsanfran on Feb 20, 2008 1:53:01 PM
Geez.........that's a poor decision on their part. Can one appeal? Can we appeal for you.
Posted by: Mage Bailey on Feb 20, 2008 2:48:03 PM
Sounds like a computer glitch of some kind. I've browsed my local group occasionally, and I think it tends to get bogged down with minutiae. Here, for example, are the most recent posts:
12029 Offer:Women's/Girls Heelys Size 6 (Belleville)
In Belleville Pink & White Women's Size 6 Heelys. They were worn only a few times and still look & smell new. [Non-text portions of this message have been... Liz
lizmalave
7:59 am
12030 wanted: DVD or CD from the movie Once - Maplewood
will pick up thank you!... kmerunka
8:04 am
12031 wanted baby walker
I am looking for the kind that the baby sits in, rather than the walk behind kind. Would be so extra super grateful!!... sonja.thayer
8:06 am
12032 Offer: Steering wheel cover (Belleville)
In Belleville Plush Road Pilot Steering Wheel Cover in Beige. Never used, still in packaging. Fits 14 ½ to 15 ½ diameter steering wheels. [Non-text... Liz
lizmalave
8:30 am
12033 Offer: Girl's 8/10 Leather Coat (Belleville)
In Belleville Girl's leather coat/jacket with hood and plush lining. It has no tags because my daughter makes me cut them out. I believe it is an 8/10 girls.... Liz
lizmalave
8:35 am
12034 OFFER in Bloomfield: Children's Melamine Plates
Offering 7 melamine plates with various children's themes on them like Winnie the Pooh, Monsters Inc. and Blue's Clues. Please email with time and day that... ethanmarcus2001
8:48 am
12035 OFFER in Bloomfield: VHS Tape on how to use Cuisinart Food Process
This was included in our Cuisinart food processor. If interested, please email with day and time of pickup.... ethanmarcus2001
8:49 am
12036 OFFER in Bloomfield: Drinking Glasses
Offering 8 oz and 12 oz green drinking glasses for everyday use. They are all unchipped and in good condition just with etched and cloudy from the diswasher....
Posted by: sixty-five on Feb 20, 2008 4:19:21 PM
I too am a member of Freecycle and I can't think why they'd want to exclude you before you've even joined. Bizarre!
Posted by: jen on Feb 20, 2008 5:41:16 PM
Crabby should lower her carbon footprint by taking fewer, not more frequent showers :-) Seriously; I've started showering every other day for that reason, and washing my hair only twice a week. I think that's all we did when we were growing up anyway.
Posted by: francine hardaway on Feb 20, 2008 7:33:49 PM
How rude of them! perhaps we all need to investigate why that happened!
Posted by: kenju on Feb 21, 2008 12:22:10 AM
Probably is a "computer glitch." I love how you out the blatantly wicked and self-anointed pious (read green, among other "virtuous") among us;-) Go, Ronni, and keep acting up and calling it exactly as you do.
I am delighted to learn from an earlier commenter about Craigslist's recycling/exchange/free stuff program. THESE folks know how to contribute to the common weal without inflicting noise, clutter, and hoops on themselves and... on us.
Posted by: tamar on Feb 21, 2008 6:33:17 AM
To those who suggest showering less frequently than daily, Crabby is in agreement. However, in some areas of life, going green is a hurdle.
Crabby already washes her hair only every other day, shortening her morning shower by five minutes or so, but except for some lazy Sunday mornings, she has not yet been able to cut back on her morning shower; it is such an ingrained habit and pleasure to start the day all shiny clean.
However, Crabby has mostly given up her beloved, evening bubble baths which is no small sacrifice when you know that her new home in Maine came with a Jacuzzi tub.
Crabby cheats and succumbs to it about once a month now - and feels guilty every time which, unfortunately, reduces some of the pleasure.
Posted by: Crabby Old Lady on Feb 21, 2008 7:35:43 AM
Ronni
Freecycle turning you down is ridiculous.
Reminds me of the old Groucho Marx joke:
Groucho Marx sent the following wire to a Hollywood club he had joined: "Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.”
Posted by: chancy on Feb 21, 2008 4:47:22 PM
I've used freecycle to get rid of things and can't imagine why they would have any exclusive membership. Bizarre.
Posted by: donna on Feb 21, 2008 9:05:43 PM
I tried joining our local freecycle and didn't even get a response. I do know people who were accepted. They lost their chance with me.
Posted by: Jean Browman--Cheerful Monk on Feb 22, 2008 1:22:19 AM
The Nature Conservancy is my personal favorite. Glad to know you feel the same. Open space...we need to leave some for future generations.
You really have to watch some of the green groups/ideas out there, in truth, if you do a little digging, many of them are worse for our planet than tradition or convention.
Posted by: Candace on Feb 22, 2008 9:50:26 AM
I thought Freecycle was a great idea, so I signed up for the one in my area and was approved. I had a bunch of stuff, most of it unused or barely used, that I wanted to be rid of, including a digital camera, casserole dishes, and an electric hand mixer. Here's how my experience went:
1. Person who requested camera was delighted.
2. Person who requested casserole dishes never turned up, wasting my afternoon as I sat waiting for her. When I emailed and asked why she didn't arrive, she said I lived too far away from her. She didn't think to email and cancel or apologize or anything.
3. Person who got mixer: despite the fact I said what model it was and linked to a picture of it on the internet, he said, "oh, I thought it was a blender".
4. Person who got old comforter and bedding: emailed me a week later thanking me again.
Persons 2 and 3 made me decide to give up and leave Freecycle. They seemed to think that because they weren't having to pay for anything, they didn't have to be nice or polite or prompt or thankful. Which ruined it for other nice Freecycle users, since everything started going to Salvation Army instead.
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