Monday, 02 June 2008
On the Democratic Delegate Decision
Crabby Old Lady likes rules. They establish boundaries of behavior, guide arbitration in disputes and keep the unscrupulous from taking unfair advantage.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States are nothing more than rules writ large, and long before we are old enough to appreciate the principles contained therein, we learn the essentials of fair play – and the consequences of ignoring them - on hopscotch grids, ball fields and, in modern times, within computer games.
Woe unto to those who try to cheat, particularly in childhood, where indignation of the majority can earn a malefactor expulsion from the game and even a bloody nose.
Senator Hillary Clinton’s nose was bloodied on Saturday at a meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the Democratic Party which convened to settle the disputed primaries in Florida and Michigan. On Crabby Old Lady’s personal playing field, she deserved it.
For several weeks, not a word has been uttered by Senator Clinton and her surrogates about the crucial issues of our day – not on the Iraq war, the economy, escalating fuel and food prices, unwarranted surveillance, failing education, crumbling infrastructure and the rest that are imperative to voters’ ability to make a reasoned choice at the ballot box.
Instead, Senator Clinton spoke only to the primary horse race, to the delegate count and popular vote of the two disputed states inventing, in each speech, another new math by which to award her the majority and the nomination, never once addressing the rules set up by the Democratic Party which she and Senator Obama agreed to in writing before the first primary was held.
Here are the simple facts of fair play as Crabby Old Lady sees them:
- The dates of primaries in individual states were set by the Democratic Party.
- Michigan and Florida moved up the dates of their primaries knowing that the rules of the Democratic Party would not allow their delegations to be seated at the convention.
- The time for voters in those states (and presidential candidates) to protest was then, to insist that the states follow the rules, and not to whine afterwards that voters had been disenfranchised.
The most extreme of the subsequent and varied arguments put forth by Senator Clinton was to give all the Michigan votes – and, therefore, delegates – to her because Senator Obama’s name was not on the ballot. But Obama had removed his name in keeping with Party rules, and if an opponent’s name is not on the ballot, a victory over him cannot be claimed. From Crabby’s point of view, to do so is too similar to the kind of elections held in the Soviet Union to be comfortable.
Although it was too late for Senator Obama to remove his name from the Florida ballot, he – again, in keeping with Party rules – did not campaign there. Senator Clinton did, despite the rules. [UPDATE: See comments below re Crabby's error about Clinton campaigning in Florida.]
The point of campaigning is to set forth a candidate’s political beliefs and policy positions so voters have a basis on which to make their decisions. Because Senator Obama followed the rules, he did not have that opportunity in Michigan and Florida and there is no way to know how many voters he might have persuaded or what the count would have been if the states had held their primaries according to Party rules and normal campaigns had ensued.
To Crabby Old Lady, broken rules equal an invalid outcome which must be ignored in the final tally. In this case, all delegates from Michigan and Florida should not be seated at the convention.
The Rules and Bylaws Committee of the Democratic Party on Saturday did not agree. They gave 69 of Michigan’s delegates to Senator Clinton and 59 to Senator Obama. For Florida, the Committee voted to seat the delegation, but to dock them by giving each delegate only half a vote. The final Florida tally is 34.5 delegates to Clinton, and 29.5 to Obama.
In the end, nothing substantive changed. The Committee decision gave Senator Clinton a net gain of 24 delegates placing her behind Senator Obama by 176. By including the Florida and Michigan delegations, the number of delegates needed to win the nomination was pushed up to 2,118 from 2,026.
As expected, Senator Clinton swept the Puerto Rico primary on Sunday reducing Senator Obama's delegate lead to 155. Two more super-delegates announced for Obama on Sunday and there are 31 delegates at stake in the Montana and South Dakota primaries tomorrow. In the unlikely event Clinton wins all of them, Obama would still be ahead by 124. (Numbers according to CNN. Counts from other organizations vary slightly - three or four delegates one way or the other - not enough to change the outcome.)
But wait – the delegate fight may still not be finished:
“Arguing that the Michigan compromise ‘is not a good way to start down the path of party unity,’ [Clinton campaign operative and Rules Committee member Harold] Ickes warned that Clinton had authorized him to note that she will ‘reserve her rights to take it to the credentials committee’ later. Campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson later affirmed that Clinton will reserve her right to challenge the outcome.”
- - Washington Post, 1 June 2008
Although some commentators have dismissed Ickes' statement as political posturing, Senator Clinton herself left the door open:
"In a telephone interview Sunday from San Juan, P.R., Mrs. Clinton still raised the possibility that she would challenge the party’s decision on seating those delegates [assigned by the Party on Saturday]. 'Well, we are going to look at that and make a determination at some point,' she said. 'But I haven’t made any decision at this time.'”
- The New York Times, 2 June 2008
Although the Democratic Party selects its nominee through delegate count, Senator Clinton continues to insist that it is the popular vote that matters even though she is still behind and any advantage she has depends on unreported votes in some caucus states and not assigning any of the 238,168 "uncommitted" votes in Michigan to Obama.
Senator Clinton has flouted the rules of her party. Now that its leaders have reached a compromise (however much Crabby is insulted by their willingness to change their own rules at the end of the primary season), this week is the time for Clinton to concede. To threaten to prolong the agony to the convention debases the fundamental principles of the United States and Crabby Old Lady's personal sense of fair play instilled at her mother's knee.
[At The Elder Storytelling Place today, Linda recalls a family tale about one of the yummiest treats summer in I Scream, You Scream...]
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Comments
Good morning Ronni -- so you've waded into it. It isn't pretty.
Besides writing about it at my own place, I spent the better part of yesterday participating in one of the better, more civil, discussions I've seen. Long, but at least folks managed not to just scream at each other.
This is a sorry pass we've come to...
Posted by: janinsanfran on Jun 2, 2008 6:53:15 AM
Ronni, it surprises me to see that, once again, the assertion that Sen Clinton campaigned in Florida. As you, yourself, have corrected in at least one comment, neither Sen Clinton nor Sen Obama campaigned in Florida. Perhaps you have learned of some campaigning that had not been reported?
Posted by: Cop Car on Jun 2, 2008 7:51:30 AM
Please pardon my truncated first sentence in the preceding comment. The issue was the statement in the posting that, " Senator Clinton did [campaign in Florida], despite the rules."
My first sentence should have read, "Ronni, it surprises me to see that, once again, the assertion that Sen Clinton campaigned in Florida has made its way into your blog postings."
Posted by: Cop Car on Jun 2, 2008 7:54:58 AM
Hillary didn't openly campaign in Florida, as in have big events; but she did go there to raise money and had meetings on that level with groups.
I agree with what you said here, Ronni. To add to it there are some Obama supporters in Florida who said they didn't vote in the primary as they figured it would not count. That was at the least a mess.
Women like Geraldine Ferraro are trying to say Hillary is not winning because of gender bias. I don't see that at all. She is not winning because of people remembering how the Clintons operate and then watching the action in this campaign to know nothing has changed. The lies and deception that they have exuded have shown to those (like me), who admittedly were skeptical of them both for a long time, that they would give us more of the same George Bush tactics-- possibly even invented them.
Since I registered to vote, I have been mostly a Democrat, voting now and then for Republicans but generally believe in the causes for which Democrats stand. I am also a woman who believes in women, sees them as capable of governing, but I won't vote for anybody because of their gender or race. It has to be that I believe in their character and the issues for which they stand.
What has gotten me about this recent yelling and screaming in DC by a bunch of women who claim they would now prefer to see John McCain win before they would vote for Obama (wonder how they'll like the Supreme Court Judges McCain will nominate), is those women are making women look bad to those who have never trusted women with power. They are out there, screaming against fairness in process because it isn't going their way. They have been (in my opinion) bamboozled by the Clinton machine and make themselves look gullible, easily manipulated, and unable to look at the results of their actions for their emotional response. They look frankly (yes, to me) like the bunch on the far right who support Bush except they are apparently on the far left. I wouldn't be surprised to see video tape of that showing up in the fall elections because some already think it's what all Democrats are like. There is talk they will try to inspire these 'ladies' to do this again in August. Wonder who would like that...
Posted by: Rain on Jun 2, 2008 9:27:57 AM
To outsiders, you electoral system seems confusing. But, this situation of Florida and Michigan, as you aptly put, neither an innocent oversight, nor a fair contest, leaves me completely puzzled.
A few years ago at my children's school regional rally running race, one of the backup runners of the winning team ran towards his teammate to congratulate him after being first over the finishing line. The back up runner (who hadn't run the race), accidentally stepped onto the side of the track before all the runners further down the track were over the finishing line. The team was disqualified, thus breaking their 20 year winning streak.
It was an innocent oversight and the runner in no way interfered with the other runners. But, in fairness and because of the rules, all was discounted.
It doesn't matter whether Senator Clinton campaigned a little or a lot, in private offices or public arena... all of this discussion just demonstrates why Mr. Bush got in the office in the first place.
Posted by: lilalia on Jun 2, 2008 10:07:53 AM
Excellent post!
I'm looking at the mess within the Democratic party and the gleeful cheering of the Republicans on the sidelines as they feed the flames and I'm asking myself what we have come to in this country.
Three little rules in my personal philosophy:
1. If you're gonna play, you better know the rules.
2. If you don't like the rules, don't play.
3. If you ignore rules 1 and 2, don't whine.
I'll bet Hillary was one of those little girls who always wanted a "do over" in Hopscotch.
We would have sent her home crying in my 'hood.
The behavior across the board in Election 2008 has annoyed me so much that I have no idea what I want to do. I'm hearing from a lot of people that they don't even want to vote.
That said, I'm tired of this
election and watching alleged adults behave like spoiled children who are destroying my faith in this country.
Posted by: Kay Dennison on Jun 2, 2008 10:18:22 AM
I grew up in Arkansas. What everyone else is now learning about the character of Bill and Hill is what I have known about for years. Finally, everyone else is getting a whiff of what we endured (those of us that had any sense of right and wrong,that is...)while they were in Arkansas. Way to go Vanity Fair...finally a more accurate picture of them has been written and published. It is all the more sweeter that the Democrats are the ones that are skewering them.
Posted by: Stacie on Jun 2, 2008 10:35:24 AM
janinsanfran, as mentioned in the first comment here, also has a post today at her blog on the Democratic primary. In response to one of her commenters, I left this:
What a disappointment Senator Clinton is.
The smugness of this campaign was hers, so sure she would be crowned on Super Tuesday that she didn't bother to build constituencies and campaign organizations in the following primaries.
It's the same mistake she made with her health care plan during her husband's first term.
Hillary supporters who are so pained at the outcome of this primary campaign have no one to blame but Senator Clinton who apparently didn't learn anything from her health care fiasco. The closeness of the campaign shows how many supporters Clinton has and there might have been so many more if she hadn't succumbed to hubris.
I keep asking myself how someone everyone tells me is so smart could be so dumb.
Posted by: Ronni Bennett on Jun 2, 2008 10:43:12 AM
All of the above posts are excellent. I agree that Hillary is a very poor sport and cares more about her own selfish needs than she does about the country.
Re: Florida. Correct me if I'm wrong but someplace in the dim recesses of my memory I seem to remember that Hillary ran TV spots there.
Posted by: Darlene on Jun 2, 2008 11:15:49 AM
Please forgive my not delaying comment until I could take the time to research. Alas, I see that the previous assertion had been by a commenter--not by Ronni. The whole posting and comment string may be read at http://www.timegoesby.net/weblog/2008/03/the-delegate-de.html?cid=108451116
Ronni wrote:
"Regarding Cop Car's comment:
"Having earlier signed a pledge with the Democratic National Party, neither senator campaigned in person in Florida.
"Senator Clinton nagged Obama about breaking that pledge because he had bought some NATIONAL TV ads just prior to the Florida primary. He tried to stop their broadcast in Florida only, but was told that could not be done.
"That is what happened in regard to Democratic campaigning in Florida. Both names were on the ballot."
Posted by: Cop Car on Jun 2, 2008 11:51:49 AM
I just checked back in and discovered that my last post didn't come through. I thanked Cop Car for correcting my memory flaw. At the age of 83 I do have a problem with short term memory. Please forgive.
Posted by: Darlene on Jun 2, 2008 3:03:52 PM
Gosh - I just ache as I read all these comments and am again forced to look (read: feel) again how disappointed I am in the bickering that is the Democratic party. I so heartily agree that rules are rules. Fair play is fair play. This is quite well said. I thought that fair play is what the country and the party are about - but I have not seen such representations of late. It is great to be "right" as an individual - we all do enjoy being right - but when it is wiser to be "right" for the greater good of the party and the country - they we have a true leader - dividing the party and the country and indeed embarrassing the party is not understanding the true meaning of greatness which has everything to do with doing what is good for the greatest number concerned.
Posted by: Mary on Jun 2, 2008 3:33:09 PM
Let me share with you that yesterday two people I know--who do not know one another--said that the election of McCain as a result of Democratic Party ineptness would lead to the end of that Party. That it would result in a strong movement toward the formation of a new party.
One of those persons was white, male, late thirties. Other person was black, female, early sixties. Made sense to me.
Posted by: naomi dagen bloom on Jun 2, 2008 9:05:27 PM
There have been a few third parties during my lifetime and not one of them "did in" either of the major parties. I did, after all, vote for and support John Anderson!
Posted by: Cop Car on Jun 3, 2008 8:31:13 AM








