Sunday, 04 January 2009
Elder Music: 4 January 2009
The importance of San Francisco to the 60s music scene cannot be overstated. To list the bands that came out of that city and its surrounds or made their mark there are too numerous to mention, but the Grateful Dead is certainly iconic of the era.
This is a vintage news report from Harry Reasoner of CBS-TV, broadcast in 1967, including an interview with the Dead and footage of a free concert they gave in Golden Gate Park. It is priceless for the point of view of a “straight” adult trying to make sense of hippies. And, were the Dead ever this young? [7:04 minutes]
Australian Peter Tibbles, who occasionally contributes to The Elder Storytelling Place, sent along this story about the loudest rock band ever to which I have added some 60s era video clips – some you will be familiar with and others, Australian, Americans may never have heard of.
Peter begins…
Which was the loudest rock band ever? Or the loudest you ever heard, perhaps. Now I know this isn't a question of great import but come on, I know we're all responsible adults now but didn't we have fun when we were younger?
We'd go out and listen to music that now we think, oh maybe we shouldn't have done that. Too late now. Isn't this a question we have asked ourselves over the years? Well, I've asked it and received the answer years ago. I posit this with the proviso that I didn't ever see Led Zeppelin play live. However, I think I can beat even them. Well, not personally. Let me explain.
I spent much of 1970 in the San Francisco Bay area, mostly in Berkeley, but other places as well. This is a tale of a different color and I won't dwell on it here. I went to many concerts at The Fillmore, Winterland, The Family Dog, local clubs. The bigger venues are what I'm talking about here.
If you want big venues, try Woodstock. Peter doesn’t mention Janis Joplin, who was from Austin but became identified with the San Francisco music scene, and I remember this performance of Ball and Chain from Janis with her Kosmic Blues Band at Woodstock. God, I wish she’d lived. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see and hear how she developed over the years. [5:24 minutes]
Peter continues…
I saw the Grateful Dead at the Fillmore a number of times. I would go to the front, and stand near the speakers (okay, sit eventually - they did play for a long time). Jefferson Airplane at Winterland (did they ever play in tune?) Quicksilver Messenger Service, The Byrds, lots of others.
One of my favorites was The Youngbloods (with Jesse Colin Young) at the Family Dog. Another I remember was Tim Buckley at Winterland supporting the Mothers of Invention. Tim played the bagpipes for his part of the concert, about three quarters of an hour. That's all he did. I may have been the only person at the gig who thought this was, well, a little unusual.
None of these were as loud as an earlier concert in Melbourne at Festival Hall in 1966 when Bob Dylan was doing his first electric tour with a band who later became The Band. This concert was louder than any I heard during my time in San Francisco. But not the loudest ever.
Okay, this isn’t loud or electric, but I was at Madison Square Garden on 1 August 1971, in the fourth row for the Bangladesh Concert. Rumors were rife that Dylan would appear, but no one knew for sure until he walked out onto the stage toward the end of the concert. [7:00 minutes]
Peter goes on…
In 1971 I went to a concert in the Melbourne Town Hall with a lovely lady who later became my wife (briefly). We went to see Daddy Cool (still my favorite Australian band). Last on the bill was Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs. They came on and after two songs we decided to leave rather than suffer immediate deafness.
The Melbourne Town Hall was built during the gold rush in Victoria and is made from bluestones, each a metre square. This concert was in the basement and when we emerged on to Swanston Street, Billy was still louder than the Grateful Dead a foot from the speakers.
You’ll understand what Peter is talking about when Billy gets to the instrumental bridge of this tune, Most People I Know. Turn down your speakers. [8:21 minutes]
Peter again…
Alas, Billy is no longer with us. He died of a heart attack a couple of years ago at the age of sixty. He wrote a couple of entertaining memoirs of his life in rock music. One chapter was called "Billy Killed the Fish". This recounts a concert in a club that had an aquarium along one wall. His music was so loud the pressure of it killed all the fish.
My initial statement is not quite correct. Led Zeppelin played at Kooyong in the early seventies. This was the site of the Australian Tennis Open for lots of years until the Europeans decided they didn't want another grass court tournament (as the Australians and Americans kept winning them) so the Open was moved to a vast complex on the banks of the Yarra River (home to rock concerts too when tennis is not played there).
I lived about ten kilometres from Kooyong and, as it was a balmy summer evening, I sat out on my balcony and listened to the show. I caught the Rolling Stones the same way. I can't imagine either played louder than Billy though.
To wind up today’s Elder Music, here is Peter’s (still) favorite Australian band, Daddy Cool, performing Eagle Rock in 1971 (notable for the fashion of the era too.) [3:44 minutes]
Unlike Peter, I'd never thought about the loudest concert I ever attended, but I did have a funny, age-related experience to loud rock. A couple of years after I had turned 40, a friend, who was about my age and was producing a television show about the band, Kiss, invited me to go along when she attended one of their concerts at the Palladium in New York City.
As we handed over our tickets, the extraordinarily large "enforcer" at the entrance who was also extraordinarily young, pointed us toward the ladies room and suggested we get some bathroom tissue to stuff in our ears. He had not so advised the teens who had been in front of us in line.
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Comments
Very interesting commentary for an early Sunday am. The loudest concert I ever attended was the Rolling Stones - Madison Sq.Garden. My hearing diminished for close to 24 hours! This was the Stones/Stevie Wonder tour - also, the infamous lottery concert where we scored the tickets and second level seats where I actually saw Keith Richards guitar string snap.
I liked the San Francisco bands, but, I liked most of the music from that time period. I'm glad Janis was remembered and share the sentiment of wondering how awesome she would be today and I have no doubt she would be awesome. She was really coming to what she was to become when she left us.
Haven't had a chance to view the clips yet - later on I hope to.
Thank you for posting commentary that brought back some very good memories.
Posted by: Linda on Jan 4, 2009 8:07:15 AM
So much fun for a Sunday morning! Thanks, Ronni.
Posted by: on Jan 4, 2009 9:49:07 AM
Grateful Dead = elder music? You are quite right that they do. But how does time fly!
Posted by: Edward Renehan on Jan 4, 2009 9:55:28 AM
Fabulous! So much fun to see that interview w/ the Dead. Part of me still expects to wake up in 1969...and I have the purple suede vest with the beads ready, just in case (grin) Thanks again, Ronni.
Posted by: mary jamison on Jan 4, 2009 11:55:14 AM
We older of the oldsters missed out on the loud groups that came along later. Probably, the loudest concert that I ever attended was by the US Marine band. The Four Aces, or Stan Kenton's band wasn't all that loud!
Posted by: Cop Car on Jan 4, 2009 12:04:25 PM
I suppose to a large degree, I pretty much missed the sixties, music wise and otherwise, due to the fact I was in the military. And perhaps argumentative, I also think being raised in the South lessened the influence of this movement on me.
Being a musician and the music lover that I am, for whatever reason this music never seemed to settle in on me. From about the mid-sixties until the very early seventies my musical sponge seemed to remain completely dry….soaking up almost nothing!
On the other hand….since Cop Car brought the subject up….I could spend the rest of the day listening to Al Alberts and those other three ‘Aces’!
Posted by: Alan G on Jan 4, 2009 1:03:32 PM
I loved those days and if only we knew just how wonderful and free they really were.
Thanks for the memories.
Posted by: Dorothy Stahlnecker on Jan 4, 2009 2:53:28 PM
I didn't ever see Janis. I remember that Jimi was playing in Berkeley and I wondered if I should go along. I thought, "Nah, I'll catch him when he returns from England." Oh well.
In case you're wondering, that's a fox tale hanging from the back of Ross Wilson's jacket in the Daddy Cool clip.
Posted by: Peter Tibbles on Jan 4, 2009 3:30:24 PM
Oh gosh Ronni. That 60 Minutes clip was heartbreaking. I never agreed with Hippitude - was always political and got my music at marches, but the condescension and dirge-like quality of that report --- maybe I haven't grown up yet but it really bothered me. I'm not even sure he's wrong content-wise, but it sure explains that old "generation gap."
Posted by: Cynthia Samuels on Jan 4, 2009 3:40:42 PM
Very interesting post, Ronni. Although I'm familiar with the names of the bands and singers discussed, I'm not very familiar with their music. I never developed much of a liking for rock music and rock bands. For me, most of the music was too loud and sounded like random noise. But, other than that, my taste in music is pretty eclectic ("easy listening", jazz, pop, classical, and many other types), selectively of course.
Since it's well known that very loud sounds can damage a person's hearing, I've always avoided loud music and loud noises. This, I think, played a big role in the fact that at almost 74, my hearing is excellent. I can still hear very high and low frequencies that most other people, young or old, can't hear. This ability to hear the full spectrum of sound in a musical piece makes listening a very rich experience for me.
Speaking of loud sounds damaging a person's hearing. Many people are unknowingly damaging their hearing by using ear buds or head phones and cranking up the volume of their mp3 players too high. Sometimes when I'm near these people, I can actually hear what they're listening to. There's nothing wrong with using ear buds or head phones (I use them all the time), but when used improperly they can really damage one's hearing since they focus the sound directly onto the ear drums.
Do you plan to post only about music that was important in your life, such as in today's post, or will you also be posting about music that had little or no importance? Just wondering.
Posted by: George P on Jan 4, 2009 5:06:29 PM
Thanks for the walk down memory lane. I get very nostalgic and have a tendency to romanticize that era. I'm still a hippie at heart though and find myself rebelling a little bit against the establishment still. However for many there was such social inequity and I'm sure those who experienced discrimination would not long for that time. I suspect they see change as for the better. However, in my opinion that era had the best music that ever came across the air waves. I still think that. My favorite bands in the 6070's were the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dylan, Mamas and the Papas, Pink Floyd, Led Zepline, and they were all loud.
Posted by: Bridgemor on Jan 4, 2009 6:55:45 PM
George P:
I have no idea where this feature will take me in the future. I have a lot of notes, but today's post was sparked by Peter Tibbles' story and I threw in a couple of personal music stories.
You and I both will have to wait to see what develops.
Posted by: Ronni Bennett on Jan 4, 2009 7:22:45 PM
An outrageously great post, Ronni!
Tibbles' story is fascinating. I fully enjoyed the clips and your own memories. I think my favorite of these clips is the Dylan, but the Grateful Dead piece fills me with a nostalgia nearing tears. I saw them only once, in Reno in the early 70's.
Loudest concert for me was Bruce Springsteen.
Thank you for this one.
Posted by: lydia on Jan 4, 2009 11:45:40 PM
The loudest band I've ever seen is The Who, circa 1976. I've always opposed the use of plugs, and my ears rang for a couple of days after.
At the time, I was in college in San Antonio. The Who was playing on a weeknight in Ft. Worth, 240 miles north. Four of us piled into a VW Beetle, picked up a fifth in Austin, then a sixth in Waco, where we split into two cars. We got to Ft Worth just as The Who took the stage. We didn't have time to find our seats, but luckily in those days no one cared if you found a place to stand. We watched the show (it was great), piled back into the cars, and reached San Antonio by 5 a.m. No one believed me the next day when I told them where I had been.
Posted by: Citizen K. on Jan 4, 2009 11:50:49 PM
Paul Butterfield Blues Band! It's their fault that I'm hard of hearing today!
And wasn't Reasoner the sanctimonious one. That sure takes me back. I got lectured and lectured and lectured, and I wasn't even very far out. Maybe people took drugs so that they could bear the nagging and faultfinding of the parental generation.
Posted by: Hattie on Jan 5, 2009 2:24:49 AM
Being hearing impaired I am acutely aware that loud sounds can damage your hearing. I'm amazed that anyone who attended those concerts has any hearing left.
Even though my music era was earlier, I did like the Beatles. I am especially fond of "Yesteday."
Posted by: Darlene on Jan 5, 2009 3:45:00 AM
When the subject of music comes up in conversation with people I could consider my contemporaries i.e., those born before 1952, "Stones" "Dylan" "Dead", "Janis" and "Beatles" are the usual focus points and people of the generation before mine (the ones born before 1925) will usually go on about Harry James, the Dorsey brothers, Glenn Miller etc. but music lovers of my "silent generation" will tell you about the great stars of the 40's and 50's, the ones who paved the way for Rock & Roll and really "Rocked the house" while they were doing it.
I was truly privileged to be living in New York City during late forties and early fities when the great "Big Bands" played at the "Capitol", The "Paramount" and a couple of other Times Square theaters.
When Duke Ellington's band struck up there was enough electricity in the theater to light up all of Times Square . Stan Kenton's rendition of "The Peanut Vendor", with Shorty Rogers on lead trumpet would leave me hard-of-hearing for a week and Louis Prima turned me into a permanent Italian-American for life. However, nothing will ever come close to the excitement generated by Frank Sinatra's debut at the Paramount. The fainting bobby soxers, the absolute adoration they projected... Beatles - move over.
You should have been there
Posted by: mythster on Jan 5, 2009 5:22:19 AM
I am still a hippie at heart and found the Harry Reasoner commentary condescending and judgmental in the extreme. I didn't realize he was such a stick in the mud. I suppose he was only spouting the views of most adults at the time and there was no way he could foretell it was the beginnings of an era of much social activism.
As for the music, I remember all the groups mentioned. Alas, I never got to see them live. I did, however, see the Beatles on their first North American tour and found the screaming girls much louder than any band.
Posted by: ell on Jan 5, 2009 5:28:00 PM
The thing with the Dead is a clip from a 1967 news special called "The Hippie Temptation," which I suspect inadvertently sent a lot of young folks running for San Francisco with its stark portrayal both of how much fun the hippies were having and how utterly lame the older generation represented by Harry Reasoner was. I saw it, actually, on a big screen in San Francisco in the 80's, and the best parts were the sequences in which hippies were obviously BSing and messing with the heads of the TV reporters who were too clueless to realize it. In one instance, they walked into a house and the hippies all started saying "no marijuana here" "nope, no marijuana here," after which Reasoner dead-panned "the hippies here don't have any marijuana, but they keep talking about it" (actually, Doonesbury I think did a take-off on that, in which reporters came to the Walden commune and Zonker told them they were all into peyote and clam dip...).
Posted by: YogaforCynics on Jan 5, 2009 10:49:44 PM
Hey, wow...Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs are far from the loudest band I've ever heard (then, I grew up in the days of punk and heavy metal), but they were great! This is the first time I've ever heard them, but I'm gonna see if I can find more....
Thanks!
Posted by: YogaforCynics on Jan 5, 2009 11:02:14 PM
Oh, gee, Ronni. Sixties' music was the best! I was right smack dab in the middle of it, a classical musician bewitched by rock 'n roll. I have hundreds of photos of Janis, Led Zeppelin, 3-Dog Night, Sly & the Family Dog, Rod Stewart and Faces, Canned Heat, dozens of others from on stage. I desperately need a slide digitizer so I can get them archived before they fade away. Thanks for taking me back!
Claudia
Posted by: Claudia on Jan 6, 2009 12:04:50 PM
Being a "constipated piano player" I have never been able to deal with the rock band era music. In the sixties I was newly married and the mother of two - so too busy to listen to that "music" when the children were making "wah wah" music of their own. Today at age 65, I play the piano daily and like the nice soothing sounds like A Nightingale Sang in Barkley Square, Where or When, My Way and the nice tunes of our great composers, Mozart etc. Anyway I keep on practicing the piano and I tape myself playing...that is enough noise for one "old fart" to handle. Nice picture Ronni...you look MA VA LOUS!!!!
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