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Friday, 05 October 2012

Elders and the Presidential Debate

category_bug_politics.gif Yes, President Barack Obama was off his game in Wednesday evening's debate appearing, at various times, tired, bored and listless. And whoever advised Obama not to pound Mitt Romney with his 47 percent speech every time the Republican nominee said “middle class” should be fired.

I was aghast that there was not a single mention of the Republican war on women, abortion and contraception.

Nor was there a question on voter suppression or DOMA. All of these easily fit into two of the six debate topics Lehrer selected – the role of government and governing.

But that doesn't mean there was a lack of substance in the debate. In one case, Romney repeated that he would repeal Obamacare while keeping some of the good parts and then lied when he said his plan would protect those with pre-existing conditions from losing coverage.

After the debate one of Romney's advisers was forced to admit that people with pre-existing medical conditions would likely be unable to purchase insurance. But how many people who watched the debate ever heard that?

There are many other instances of Romney's prevarication (see 27 Myths in 38 Minutes) but we don't need to go into the long list here. Reverend Al Sharpton captured the truth right after the debate on MSNBC:

“Mitt Romney gave a good testimony,” said the Rev, “but will be indicted for perjury because he’s lying.”

MEDICARE
Of high concern to this blog are Social Security and Medicare. On the latter, Romney was, as he always is, misleading, deceptive and – well, false.

He repeatedly said Obama had slashed $716 billion from Medicare which is not true and he tried to convince viewers that his proposed voucher system would not leave elders unable to afford coverage.

The president's rebuttal was tepid and I do not think anyone not already familiar with the candidates' positions gained any clarity.

Keep this in mind: if Mitt Romney is elected president, he will do everything in his power to end Medicare.

Do. Not. Forget. That.

One quite simple statement of Romney's in relation to Medicare leapt out at me:

“My experience is the private sector typically is able to provide a better product at a lower cost.”

I have never believed that Romney is as smart as everyone insists. He regularly says dumb things in his stump speeches and on this he is completely – willfully? - wrong.

There is no doubt that the private sector provides better potato chips and blue jeans at lower cost than the government could, but healthcare is not nor can it be treated as a typical consumer product. Why doesn't Romney know this?

Whatever the Heritage Foundation says, there are mountains of data showing that government administration costs of Medicare/Medicaid are magnitudes lower than private costs. Paul Krugman has a good explanation of this.

SOCIAL SECURITY
Social Security came up early in the debate and as has happened regularly in the campaign, the president was a disappointment on the subject:

”Social Security is structurally sound,” he said. “It’s going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker Democratic Speaker Tip O’Neill. But it is - the basic structure is sound.

“...when it comes to Social Security, as I said, you don’t need a major structural change in order to make sure that Social Security is there for the future.”

The president is right about the second half of that statement, but the first leaves a lot of questions about how he would accomplish the tweaks. The Reagan/O'Neill compromise of 1983 increased the age of full eligibility from 65 to 67 by 2027, increased the payroll deduction and make some other small changes.

What the president did not say on Wednesday evening and has not said elsewhere is what kind of tweaks he is thinking of. Are they the disaster for elders contained in Simpson-Bowles or something else?

On one small point, Obama revealed that he may be quite teachable. Look at this answer in response to moderator Jim Lehrer's reference to Social Security as an entitlement:

”And that’s the perspective I bring when I think about what’s called entitlements,” said the president. “You know, the name itself implies some sense of dependency on the part of these folks. These are folks who’ve worked hard, like my grandmother. And there are millions of people out there who are counting on this...”

Okay, as during the rest of evening, Obama wasn't all that articulate about it, but you can tell what he meant. What is encouraging is that after four years of throwing around the term “entitlement,” someone has pointed out how demeaning that is to elders who have paid into the program all their working lives and he obviously agrees.

I'm counting on that teachability – if he is re-elected – in listening to others about choosing the best, most fair Social Security tweaks.

For his part, Romney can't wait to get his – um, mitts – on the money in both programs. Listen:

”Well, Jim, our seniors depend on these programs. And I know any time we talk about entitlements, people become concerned that something’s going to happen that’s going to change their life for the worst, and the answer is, neither the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees, either to Social Security or Medicare. So if you’re 60 or around 60 or older, you don’t need to listen any further.

“But for younger people, we need to talk about what changes are going to be occurring...I’ve got proposals to make sure Medicare and Social Security are there for them without any question.”

How distasteful is this statement? Let me count the ways:

Romney uses the condescending “our seniors” every time these issues come up as though we are his little pets he'll look out for and he knows best. Infuriating.

And there he goes again about current retirees won't face any changes to Social Security and Medicare as if we don't care about the nation's children, grandchildren and generations beyond. Do you think he's projecting – that he lives by his 47 percent credo, “I've got mine and screw you,” so he believes everyone does?

Romney has said he supports "voluntary" private Social Security accounts. To anyone who believes that's an intelligent idea, all I have to say is: 2008.


There is no story at The Elder Storytelling Place today.


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Comments

Thanks for your summary and analysis.

I worked for Mitt Rombot's economic cohort for a number of years. The cognitive dissonance between the working class and the investing class (and there are only two classes), is unbridgeable.

Let's hope for the best on Election Day; the results constitute the only poll that counts.

I'm worried about Obama's seeming acceptance of The Cat Food Commission's recomendations and what will happen when the debt ceiling again approaches. Last time he gave away too much, as Boehner said, "I got 98% of what I wanted." Very troubling.

At the risk of being offensive, the president needs to kick butt in the next debate.

He needs to follow his own inner guidance, not anyone else's, no matter who they are.

This latest so-called "debate" is a very good example of why I don't watch this type of idiocy ... I would have thrown something heavy through my brand new TV set before the whole thing was other!

I was so depressed after the debate that I wondered if Obama hadn't swallowed a handful of tranquilizers before going to the podium.

While Obama only had one falsehood on fact checker (the number of employed) Romney had 27 lies and/or distortions. That the president just smiled like a benign uncle and didn't call him out on them when he had the biggest audience he will ever have was shocking to me.

Unfortunately the average voter does not know, or seemingly care about, the facts. They vote emotionally with their 'gut' and they love a fighter. Obama got very bad advice and, sadly, followed it. I hope it was a wake-up call for the next two debates.

And I do think Obama is waffling on Social Security and may advocate raising the age limit instead of the wage limit. If he is elected we need to hold his feet to the fire. If he loses, you can kiss Medicare goodbye and your children will not be able to count on Social Security.

As a '60's-era protester who was mad at the government for specific, valid, serious complaints (remember Watergate?) I am struck by the new anti-government Republican Chic. Have you noticed? When Democrats talk about the role of government today it's in terms of WE, as in "we the people". When the Republicans talk about government it's with contempt, as in "stay out of my Bidness!!".. they sound like gun-toting survivalists. Unless, of course, they want to regulate the reproductive rights of women.

It doesn’t matter who ‘won’ the debate and it doesn’t matter much who ‘wins’ the election. Both candidates are tied by the pocketbooks to their largest campaign contributors – the banking industry and the medical industry. Neither candidate will talk honestly about what has to be done about the national debt and the unemployment situation. It would be political suicide.

But neither can this country continue to borrow, and pay interest on, one-third of it’s operating budget year after year. Something has to give.

Invisibility of women of all ages and any of our issues stunned me. Glad there is something else on my calendar at time of next debate. Will not be tempted to observe, get further dispirited. Only want to cast my vote for Obama, have the misery of this election year DONE.

What scares me most about this debate and those to come is the number of people out there who may well base their votes entirely on what they see in the debates.

Obama began the night talking about his wedding anniversary and it seemed to me that, throughout the debate, he was wishing he were someplace else with his bride of twenty years rather than where he was …what a disappointment!

I think the President might have had a case of altitude sickness at Denver's Mile High Location.

It really does affect some people. I know that when a football team is scheduled to play the Denver Rockies they usually go to Denver a few days early to get acclaimated.

Also, I think Obama did not use the 47% charge because he just knew they had a fantastic "Zinger" ready for when he said something about it.He didn't want to walk into a trap. He'll bring it up next time.

His poll numbers seem to be holding.. so that's good.

Lehrer was the worst moderator I have ever seen. He allowed Romney to take charge and to talk over both Lehrer and Obama. That said, Obama was either ill or drugged. Romney was spitting lies right and left and it was impossible for Obama to set the record straight in the two minutes allotted to him for rebuttal. So, most of the time Obama seemed to be looking at Romney as though he pitied him and believed that everyone else would recognize the discrepancies between what Romney was saying that night and what Romney has been saying for the last 18 months.

I was angry with the President and furious at Romney and Lehrer. I propose that the next debate should place each debater in a soundproof booth and cut off their microphones when their time is up.

Personally, I liked President Obama's temperment and demeanor. That's the kind of guy I want as president. Not an in your face, say anything, view-changing, flip-flopping, tea party apeasing, desperate, win at all costs faker. I just don't understand why people want to see a brawl, in your face, cage match. I think it's part of modern, day media intense, desensitized society, wanting to see a fight.

Finally an actual debate. The President got almost five more minutes than his opponent. I liked that they finally agreed that they WERE the same on Social Security...no more story telling there. I also liked that the President brought up what he started with. I liked there was little mud slinging.
I did not think that the President lost all that much. He will come out stronger the next time. I like that we are actually doing real politics again!Delineate the issues and talk about them!!!!

Frankly, I thought it was a poor excuse for a debate whatever Lehrer thought he was facilitating.

I wish there was an offensive sound affect that would go off every time one of the participants uttered a falsehood. Romney had so many that Obama would have had to devote all his speaking time to simply refuting them. He wouldn't be able to talk about his own plans other than what Romney introduced.

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