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History of Old Age – The Ancients

It's been awhile but you may recall that I am working on a personal project, a history of old age. Previous posts here, here and here.

It's been slow going. I keep reading about the through the centuries – my collection of books and other materials grows - and I sure do mark them up. But getting around to organizing notes? Not so much. Not yet, anyway.

But one of the things that has become evident is that the ancients, the Greek and Roman philosophers, poets, playwrights liked to think and write about old age. They all did it.

There are many treatises “on aging” from poet Sappho (the lone woman) way back in (probably) the 6th century BCE to historian Diogenes Laertes in the 3rd century AD. And that doesn't count the medical texts describing the ailments of aging and their treatment from Hippocrates, Galen and others.

When he was in his early 60s, Cicero (Roman politician, 1st century BCE) said to a contemporaneous friend:

“I think it good to write something on age to be dedicated to you. For I would want to ease somewhat our burden of old age, which, if it is not already pressing hard upon us, certainly is fast approaching...

“For me, writing this book has been so delightful that it has not only erased all petty annoyances of old age but has also made old age soft and pleasant.”

That is a much sunnier view than second century BCE Roman poet Juvenal had. He found old age to be cruel in the extreme:

But with what ever-present sorrow age prolongs its hour-
face deformed and hideous and unlike itself,
skin transformed, a wrinkled hide,
cheeks in hanging folds-
behold in the Numidian shades a venerable baboon!
Young men are not all the same,
one is handsome, one a beau
one is stronger than another. In old age it's all the same-
lips that quiver when they speak,
hairless head and drivelling nose,
toothless jaws that cannot chew.
They are a burden to their wives,
to their children – and themselves...

As if that's not bad enough, there is more of the same for six or seven more stanzas.

Seneca the Roman Stoic (1st century AD) held views more in line with Cicero's:

“Old age is full of enjoyment of you know how to use it...Life is most delightful when it is on the down slope but not at the edge yet.

“Even when it trembles on the eaves it still has its pleasures, I opine, or else [the lost] pleasures are compensated by freedom from the need for them.”

Six centuries earlier, the Greek poet Anacreon was not nearly as sanguine about losing one particular pleasure:

The women tell me every day
That all my bloom has passed away.
'Behold,' the pretty wantons cry,
'Behold this mirror with a sigh;
The locks upon they brow are few,
And like the rest, they're withering too!'
Whether decline has thinned my hair
I'm sure I neither know nor care;
But this I know, and this I feel,
As onward to the tomb I steal,
That still, as death approaches nearer,
The joys of life are sweeter, dearer,
And had I but an hour to live,
That little hour to bliss I'd give.

That's just a sampling.

Of course, all the writers were of the upper classes and they don't tell us about how the riff-raff (let alone, women) aged or even if they lived to 70, 80 and 90 as did many of the philosophers and poets whose works have survived.

But whether they welcomed old age or abhorred it, whether they feared it or embraced it, they did not flinch from it. They made it part of their daily lives and conversations. They wrote books and poems and plays about it. And even those who lamented their lost youth did not try to fool people into believing anyone could be young again.

Unlike the zillions of quack anti-aging books and products of our era.

To end, I'll return to Cicero for one more thought on aging; about the demeanor of old men [emphasis is mine]:

"But, it will be said, old men are fretful, fidgety, ill-tempered, and disagreeable. If you come to that, they are also avaricious. But these are faults of character, not of time of life...

"The fact is that, just as it is not every wine, so it is not every life, that turns sour from keeping...

"What the object of senile avarice may be I cannot conceive. For can there be anything more absurd that to seek more journey money, the less there remains of the journey?"

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Ah, the rhymes. But a few of them had hot tubs and other enticements to ease the pains of age. I'm off to mine...the Y. lol

You are very right to note the omission of women and the lower classes. I read Travels With Epicurus and had a tickle in my brain that Klein's perceptions were somewhat different from a couple of memoirs I had read of older women. I skimmed the books and marked them for more thorough reading. Check out The Last Gift of Time by Carolyn Heilbrun (sp?) and Growing, Older (sorry--brain glitch--can't remember the author). Very different.

For some reason the term "Senile Avarice" made me think of Congress.

Ronni, I've come to believe that the commandment to "Honor thy father and thy mother . . . " was written to stop folks from leaving their elders by the side of the road when they couldn't keep up. Or from doing something equally cruel to the old and frail once families were settled into agricultural communities. It seems to be a strange item, stuck there in the middle of the Honor-God commandments and the Personal-Responsibility ones. If you find any evidence to back me up on that, I'd like to know. Thanks.

Thank you, Ronni..I so enjoy
your research.

I like Seneca and Cicero the most.

'Roman poet Juvenal...found old age to be cruel in the extreme'

Well...his name was Juvenal!

Please don't be totally Eurocentric. In the ancient world, at least after Alexander the Great and probably before, a lot of Indian philsophy reached Greece. The trade routes to Central Asia (China) were well worn even by the time of the Trojan War. The Egyptians wandered deep into Asia and brought back ideas. Remember Cleopatra's Egypt was 2000 years old and fading rapidly.

Yes, we from Europe and America get our philosophy from Greece and Rome and the Hebraic tradition, and it serves to make us think we have some kind of ownership on philosophy. Not so -- all of Europe was barbarian when great civilizations were flourishing in Asia.

As I have explained in other postings about my history of aging project, my interest is to discover and try to understand how western (my own) the civilization has treated elders through the millennia, how it changed over time (or not) and influenced where we are now.

I am certainly not so ignorant as to believe our traditions in the west are the only ones in the world, but for this particular project, other civilizations are not applicable.

I beg to differ with you, Ronni, we have had Asian immigrants for more than two centuries and now have many, many immigrants from Korea, and Southeast Asia, as well as India. And the Hebraic culture was Middle Eastern. We should also not forget the Native Ameticans. I feel strongly about inclusiveness. Eurocentricity bothers me almost as much as ageism.

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